I’m tired of being a Christian
12 Apr 2005
Today was my day to eat supper with Jeremy Holtrop. I don’t think I’ve said much about him on the site so far, but he is an incredible guy, and I feel so blessed to call him my friend, and have a chance to eat with him once a week just to share our feelings. Sometimes we just get together and laugh, and sometimes we have very deep conversation. Today we had one of our best conversations, just about being Christians and what it means.
Our conversation eventually focused around what it really means to be a Christian, and how we feel like it’s not at all what most people live it or believe it to be. We both talked about how much we hate the fake, shallow lives that Christians lead. To most people, it’s not about what we actually feel or think, it’s about saying the right things, doing the good things, and never saying or doing the bad things. That’s crap.
I believe absolutely in very few things. I believe that God is the one true sovereign God. I believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, lived, died on a cross, was dead and buried, and then rose on the third day. I believe that now the Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf, and is our direct connection to God, made possible by the blood of Christ. Other than that, you can pretty much disprove anything else I believe, and it may make me feel like an idiot, but it won’t change the fact I believe in God.
Go to Dr. Drury’s website, and read his article, and especially Dr. Schenck’s article (which is linked right below Drury’s) to see who started me thinking these things.
To fuel the fire, earlier today in Church Music class we had a discussion on whether or not to use non-Christian musicians in a worship team. I think everyone pretty much agreed that a non-Christian could never be a worship leader, but there was a rift between the class on whether or not to use non-Christians. I understand the argument against it, I do. But I just have a real problem with the way we run our churches today.
Nothing about Jesus was acceptable to the church. He didn’t hang out with all the religious leaders talking theology and worship, he hung out with the sinners, making them feel like they were loved and accepted, regardless of the condition of their lives. In Luke 19 Jesus meets up with Zaccheus, and ends up going to his house for dinner. The verse that gets me is verse seven. It says that people grumbled because Jesus was going to be a guest in the house of a sinner. WHAT IS THE CHURCH FOR??? Why are we bickering over whether or not to let a musician play guitar in our band? The fact that there is an opportunity is one more chance to witness to one more person. There are countless stories of worship team members coming to Christ through being involved in a church!
One argument people use is the one that everyone on the worship team–regardles of their role–is a leader. Well, unless they left it out, none of the gospel writers ever mentioned Jesus asking if the boy was a Christian before taking his small lunch and feeding thousands with it. Maybe you don’t think so, but I’m pretty sure all the other little boys looked up to that kid after that. Jesus didn’t ask if he was a Christian, he simply used the opportunity to change that boy’s life forever. It wasn’t normal! It wasn’t “right”! Jesus didn’t do things that made religious leaders happy. He did things that changed the world.
In Mark 9, the disciples stopped a man who was casting out demons in Jesus’ name, but wasn’t traveling with Jesus. But Jesus told them not to stop him, and said these words about it: “Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is for us. For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of your name as followers of Christ, truly I say to you, he will not lose his reward.” (Mark 9:39b-41, NASB) Now, without doing an in-depth study, I will say that the context was a bit different then than it is now, but I believe that this verse is not taken out of context when applied now.
In a world that’s full of pharisees, I just don’t feel like being equated with “Christians” anymore. I don’t want to be stuck in the IWU bubble my whole life. I want my life to resemble Christ’s, and Christ’s life was anything but religious by the standards of his day. Don’t romanticize Jesus’ life and ministry. ‘Religious’ people hated him. He wasn’t preaching in front of huge congregations and broadcast to 176 countries around the world. He didn’t say the things that made him accepted by the church, or made him look good. He said the things that were true.
I read an article somewhere on the web (I forget where, and I’m too tired to look it up in my web history) where someone was saying he had a surefire way to bring in 9 out of 10 families who visited their Sunday School into their church. You know what it was? They had them over on Friday to play cards.
They would invite visiting couples over on Fridays to play cards with some of their other friends from church. The night involves playing cards, eating dessert, laughing, and just having a good time. What it doesn’t involve was ever saying anything about Jesus to them. They just befriended those church visitors, made them feel welcome, and got to know them for who they are. You know what? At the end of a year, of the ten couples this particular family had over, nine of them joined the church. Without ever preaching a word, or saying a word, they witnessed to those people by having a genuine, Christ-driven(love!) relationship with them. On the other side, of the other 50 families that visited that church, only 3 of them ended up becoming regular attenders. One of my all-time favorite quotes is by St. Francis. It simply says, “Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.”
I’m tired of being associated with “Christians” who are voting on whether or not to have gay pastors. I’m tired of being associated with Christians who insist on shoving Jesus down everyone’s throat instead of building relationships, the effective way of reaching out. I’m tired of being associated with “Christians” who go to church on Sunday, and then live like the rest of the world the rest of the time.
I’m tired of being associated with Christians who don’t think we should ever have non-Christians in our worship teams, even if that is the only way that person will ever get into a church.
I quit being a Christian. I’ll never quit following Christ, and living a life that he has called me to. But I quit being a Christian. I want to be able to proclaim to people when I’m having a hard time. I want to be honsest with people and let them know it’s been a month since I’ve done my devotions. That ‘s what real Christianity is. It’s not the peaches and cream we ascribe it to be. It’s not about being perfect. It’s about doing the best we can, despite our imperfections. Sometimes I don’t feel like being a Christian anymore. It doesn’t mean I’m not, just beacuse I have that feeling. Sometimes I have to question my entire belief system, including the existence of God himself. That doesn’t mean I’m not a Christian. I have doubts. I have questions. Sometimes I just don’t feel like doing it. That doesn’t make me any less of a Christian. No, the fact that I am open and honest about those things to me means that if anything, my relationship with God is just that much truer. No human relationship that’s worth anything is all about being perfect. My friends and I share all our emotions–the times when we feel great, and the times when we feel crappy. Telling God I’m doubting something about my faith doesn’t mean he doesn’t love me anymore, praise Him!
So be honest. Be open about your struggles. If not with others, at least with God. He already knows you feel that way, anyways!
So, it is with virulent disdain I say goodbye to Christianity. I’m not about pretending anymore. Out with Christianity. In with a true, honest, relationship with Jesus Christ–and the people he loved so much, he died for them.
Jul 05, 2009 @ 00:26:33
That was awesome – thanks for that!
God bless
Oct 22, 2009 @ 18:15:42
Just because modern Christianity has its sad flaws as a whole doesn’t mean that you have to stop being and calling yourself a “Christian”. You have a very good philosophy about having a true and honest relationship with Christ, but instead of rejecting the name of the faith that follows Him nowadays, you could still be a “Christian” and just try to implement your true relationship with Him to other Christians. Try to set an example of what true Christians should be like instead of saying your not a Christian anymore, because it might have a negative effect on other Christians that believe everything that you just mentioned. Reply if you or anyone else can. Great message though.
Peace
Nov 07, 2009 @ 05:01:25
I enjoyed reading what you wrote.
Dec 08, 2009 @ 02:23:04
Hello Josh,
I have no idea how I cam across your blog, but I love the way you think. I am not sure whats going on in your life, but I wanted to share something with you. It’s called The World Race. It’s a “missions” trip that goes to 11 countries in 11 months. The reason I put missions in quotes is because it’s not for the religious. Its a year that will rock your life, God wrecks you like crazy. This organization is in the business of God and thats it, not a religion. It changed my life and for some reason I felt led to share it with you. Check it out. http://www.theworldrace.org
Merry Christmas!
Dec 27, 2009 @ 21:37:33
Jesus wasn’t a Christian either. It isn’t about clubs and sects. It is about a way of life… a spirit in one’s heart. I’m not a Christian or anything for that matter. I just am. I am connected to, and talk to, and listen to, that from which I come. My head goes crazy when people try to get others to follow their doctrines. All the bigotry.
Feb 10, 2010 @ 12:03:04
I agree wholeheartedly. I was feeling the same way today, feeling sick of legalisms and theology and then came across this. I’m very encouraged by this. I guess it helps to remember that Jesus was even rejected by his own followers. It doesn’t mean we’re messing up unless people caught up in sin are avoiding us really…I think of Jesus talking about the man who held a feast and none of the decent people in town came, so he invited all the down and out people in town.
Anyway it was very encouraging to read your blog, thank you for posting.
Mar 01, 2010 @ 14:03:45
Holy canoli.
you have a gift for writing for sure. i have been struggling with all of that for the past couple of months and you just put months of my thoughts into a few paragraphs. i have nothing else to say but that god is doing great work through you.
May 27, 2010 @ 16:58:49
My wife and I just had a conversation last night that touched on most of the points you make here. We have been Born Again Christians for over twenty years. Now in our mid 40’s and having faced a season of rough waters, are honestly tired. Not tired of Christ mind you, but desiring Him in a much more real relational depth. Tired of the fake. Tired of facades.
We recently joined a once-a-week small home group study. It has been so enriching. In many ways much more so than the organized church services. We no longer feel as islands, dealing with life alone. This relational time centers us and allows others to share and ask for prayer. No agendas, no judgment. Just trying to be there for one another, as brothers and sisters in Christ.
Circumstances have driven us as a couple to desire and practice transparency and brutal honesty. Sometimes we feel as if the ‘church’ over the years has programmed us, depriving us of some of the drive, energy, and freedom in Christ that defines a REAL relationship with Jesus Christ.
My wife (and I) also have much to say about the semi-veiled machismo / chauvinism in today’s evangelical leadership. Misuse of the concept of submission has caused her much anguish over the years. She is a strong gifted beautiful woman in Christ. Any church would be truly blessed to have her gifts at their disposal. Unfortunately these leadership / organizational strengths were mostly seen as a challenge to church authority.
I don’t want to question those that God has lifted up to be leaders, as I know he does. But, are there more than a few career Pastors that do not have a real CALL? Don’t have a humble heart? Have their own house in order, without demanding an insecurity prompted demand for submission from their family?
Jun 10, 2010 @ 23:40:52
Not that all of what you wrote doesn’t resonate with me because it did, all of it, but when you wrote, “He wasn’t preaching in front of huge congregations and broadcast to 176 countries around the world.” it just brings to mind something I was just talking with one of my friends about a few days ago. We were reminiscing about our time together in our old church. We attended a wonderful church small-group in our mid-twenties together that really solidified our walks with Christ before life moved us all on/in different directions. There had been this one sunday morning though years ago I remembered that for whatever reason the holy spirit just took over the church. I remember the pastor going on stage when worship would normally just be ending and just standing there for a minute. He announced that he felt the spirit moving and he didn’t want to interrupt it so he handed the mic back to the worship team. Before long it was like the whole church was just worshipping, people were praying and obviously being moved by God. (Even those rowdy teens that usually don’t pay much attention). The whole service went by in what felt like just a short time. I remember that I felt very close to God and had some sort of much needed breakthrough for whatever I was going through at the time. This type of move of God didn’t happen everyday but I remember thinking, thank God we have leaders who know when to go with the flow. Probably about a year or so later that church went to broadcast. My friend and I talked about how In the years we continued to attend the church after that, we don’t remember them ever once foregoing the sermon to follow the spirit again. Not once was worship or prayer time extended beyond the usual timing. It clearly became all about keeping to the television schedule and having flashy illustrated sermons. You know, I think it’s great that we can reach so many people around the world through media. But what about the church/people right here with us? What about God’s agenda? I just think it’s sad. I’m actually in a new city right now because of work and am once again looking for a new church. Despite always saying I am going to give up on church altogether (for all the reasons you discuss here and then some), I still do go to church from time to time. It all hit home for me when during a recent church visit, I unfortunately found myself unable to see the speaker because the camera literally was blocking my view. I said Lord, this just isn’t what I want anymore, I literally want a church with no cameras. I realized then that the whole camera thing was a metaphor for everything that keeps me from really getting involved in church anymore. It’s just a roving scrutinizing eye turning the whole thing into a big production. I don’t think anyone knows the difference between the show and reality anymore.
Jun 18, 2010 @ 00:07:52
Glad to hear you come to the end of consumer-driven, American popular Christianity. The Faith has an incredible tradition outside the little bubble that you might have been raised in but I’m sure you’re discovering that already. Be a disciple, brother and follow God in the way of Christ. That’s what the world needs; Disciples who are willing to conform their lives to the way of Christ as seen in the Gospels and demonstrated in the Church (you’re far from the first to feel this way about popular Christianity and there have been many others throughout Church history who have forsaken all to follow Christ). The Gospel is a way to live not a creed to believe. I pray as you leave church-centered spirituality you would stumble into and become wrapped up in Jesus-centered spirituality.
Grace and Peace as you follow Jesus into the darkness of this world where the Light is needed most,
Jonathan
P.S. I would highly suggest this book: http://www.amazon.com/Mere-Churchianity-Finding-Jesus-Shaped-Spirituality/dp/0307459179
It was written by a man whom I greatly respect and who once found himself at the stage of life you as well as myself are (were) at.
A few blogs you might want to check out are:
http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/
http://www.internetmonk.com/ <–(this blog was founded by the late author of the book I recommended)
Jul 06, 2010 @ 02:16:47
I am from Indonesia, and I am really thankful for the internet because it allows us, similar like-minded people from many different corners of the Planet, to bond together & supporting each other, knowing that we are definitely NOT alone.
such as this wonderful blog that I’ve happened to meet just by googling around.
and I can’t agree more.
in a wise words by Mahatma Gandhi (a Hindu):
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
It is really sad sometimes to see how our world has turned into.
All fakeness & hypocrites, full loaded with commercialisms & teritorry-gaining & all-about-money attitude.
Witnessing all the horrible, fakeness and shallowness in all of these, I have quit being a Christian that once I was admitedly quite a ‘fanatic’ one, reading & researching the Bible everyday, not because someone “told” me to, or “just because”. but more because of searching the Truth.
I am now at most a Deist, but also am an Agnostic,
still looking for the Truth,
but I am just glad when I see “highly-aware” people like you and many commenters above, who can ‘see through’ past all the shallow doctrine-fights, constant judgement-passings and territory-fighting; and just keep looking for, and grasping the ESSENCE that really matters.
Seeing the growing numbers of people like you, seriously has really made me somewhat have some HOPE again in humanity.
I still respect & admire Jesus Christ and His teachings.
in fact, I have also talked this with my cousin: I bet that 90% of “normal, ordinary” Christians NEVER fully know/grasp/understand what Jesus’ real teachings is really all about! Most or many are just too busy with what you said correctly: agendas, passing judgements, expanding their territorry in selfish manner, even with media, marketing & money-mindset!..they took a great deal of time & efforts in the trees but forgetting the forest!
I honestly don’t know how the future of our world (& Planet, for that matter) would be, but what I truly really know is this: the future of the world would get brighter, if people like YOU keep existing, keep breathing, and keep SHINING and sharing the TRUE, REAL ESSENCES of Christ’s teachings, every day, every time. instead of all the shallowness above.
As a closing, I’ll leave all of you with a beautiful quote that I have given me so much strength, to be the best I can be, to shine & give Lights to the often ‘dark, cold & indifferent’ society & humankind:
“Do not follow where the path may lead. Go, instead, where there is no path and leave a trail.” ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
Amen, and may God be with you in your life journey & all your daily struggles!
Jul 19, 2010 @ 18:36:57
hey josh,
i agree with many of the other posts here – if you’re going to have a relationship with christ still without the religion, don’t you think you’re still a christian? the meaning of christian is christ-follower. it has nothing to do with religion, so why denounce christianity? i agree with your argument on several points; however, you cannot have a non-christian be involved in christian ministry that serves the church until they themselves are christ-followers also. it’s like if you were to ask a person who cusses like a sailor, drinks like the local drunkard, and does drugs every day to watch your kids – no matter how nice or kind he is. to worship, or even be involved in worship, true worship, you must be soberly minded. that is to say that someone who is involved in ministry who is not a christian may be the nicest person, but their lifestyle may cause others in the congregation to follow. say, for instance, a person on a worship team is not a christian. this person parties outside of church, but acts decently in church. this person befriends someone in the church, who thinks this person is a christian, assumed because of the role in the worship team. this person ends up partying, and causing a brother in the church to stumble. is this right? no.
i agree – we need to be like jesus and reach people outside the church also, but evangelism takes place outside of the church – not within the church meetings. look at the pauline epistles, church gatherings were to edify believers and worship god. evangelism took place outside in the local areas of life. this is not to say a non-believer should not enter church, nor that evangelism should not happen in church, but rather our focus in church should not be to love on everyone no matter who they are in church. in church, we are to execute decency and order, holiness, edification in the spirit, and worship to god. paul tells us if we find a brother in christ who is living in habitual sin without conviction or repentance to not even eat with such a person. this is not cruelty, but a tactic to keep from stumbling blocks and to cause the person to realize they need to repent and get back on the narrow path.
finally, the point is we need to love everyone regardless of who they are. it’s true, jesus didn’t just sit in synagogues to talk theology.. he did both that AND hang out with sinners. he didn’t do one or the other, he did both. there is a time and place for both. that said, it’s okay for a non-christian to be involved in church and serve in some ways, but to be involved in setting the mood and tone for people to worship the one true reverent and holy god with their spirits, that is something a non-christian cannot do even if they are a small part of it. i don’t think there would be harm in a non-christian being a sound guy though – they are not involved in being on-stage representing what should be a holy living sacrifice of worship.. they are merely making it sound polished.
Aug 10, 2010 @ 02:20:31
hi! i’m from canada. i’ve been stuggling with my Christianity for many months now and i only now began to admit it to myself. i came across your blog while trying to google my way to peace. i’ve been feeling almost everything you’ve just described. and i’ve wanted to set myself free for so long. the church tells me i shouldn’t step foot in a bar or a casino. it tells me i should never curse or be angry at my neighbor. i can’t get myself out of this cage. what if i want to go to the bar and socialize to reach out, and not get drunk? what if i curse without cursing at someone? does it make me a bad person if i want to enjoy my life here on earth with my friends?
the thing is, i feel like i’m caged in. i am a youth leader and up until now i would have never thought about these things. but my Christianity has felt so fake lately that i don’t know what i should do. am i capable to lead? should i leave the youth that look up to me as a leader and step down? should i leave the church and find God myself? would people respect me more, or less if i did this… would God appreciate this? i feel like being a Christian hasn’t made me happier.. it’s only made me more curious about the world that i hide from, its only taken away my freedom in my youth! i don’t know what to do. and i can’t seem to find a way out. i don’t know whats good, i don’t know whats bad.
i don’t know if you are ever going to come across this, but i could really use some advice! i havent had a heart to heart talk with God in so long and it just doesnt feel like i’m going to get a clear answer with his Word and the churches always clashing in my head. write me back if you can! thanks!
Aug 28, 2010 @ 04:14:25
Dude, i hear ya, i get ya. one thing that is important that i will point out is that the “church” also does not teach what Yeshua(who they call jesus) taught. they have disgarded him as God and his Torah. As if God somehow can change and do away with the things he said would always be, like his Feast days. Instead the church adopts pagan holidays and makes them christian.
Aug 31, 2010 @ 01:17:05
Dear Josh,
Thank you for what you have written. It has touched me and put tears in my eyes because it expresses exactly how I feel.
My wife and I have attended a bible school for the last five years of our lives. I served as a fill-in pastor at 2 different churches, along with various other ministries.
To make a long story short, the kind of problems that you have listed here got in the way. We didn’t necessarily fill the mold and we were kicked out essentially. It wasn’t fair. We were wronged.
I forgave those who wronged me and have moved on. I am now “just another guy” in the work force. It has been humbling and I have been upset with God for some time now, but I think I’m slowly understanding why He allowed this to happen.
He has set me free to really live for Him, just as He has set you free. We have a job to do. I believe His will echoes through your words.
Perhaps we are meant to feel rejected so that we will stop grasping the robes of the pharisees and cling to His robes instead.
There is hope where we stand…it is in Him. If we are willing, He will use us to regenerate true christianity in this country. He has work for us to do.
I will pray for you-please pray for me.
God bless you and be with you my brother,
-David
Oct 06, 2010 @ 16:13:11
I’ve been down this road of thinking before but I couldn’t escape the things that Jesus did that don’t fit this somewhat abstract view of Him.
Why did Jesus let the rich young ruler (unsaved) walk away? Why didn’t he form a relationship with him instead of telling him to sell everything? He just let him walk away. Why did he tell the woman caught in adultery not to sin anymore if what someone does doesn’t matter to Him? Why did He even address things like divorce if He knew people would try to latch on to them and think that doing those things pleased Him?
I’m fed up with legalism and false doctrine as much as it sounds you are, but we can’t just paint Jesus any old color we want.
Oct 26, 2010 @ 12:34:40
I LOVED this and feel so relieved that I’m not the only one who feels this way!!!
GOD BLESS YOU! and may Christ be with you always!
Feb 18, 2011 @ 02:15:58
What you’ve written is exactly how I’ve been feeling for the past few years. I have been a Christian for over half of my life, and I am so tired of the judgement from other Christians and the hypocrisy in the church, and the fact that I don’t feel like I can be honest and open with other Christians (most) about where I am at without being judged for it later or gossiped about. I love Jesus and I love reading His Word and fellowshipping with Him, but I have to force myself to go to church sometimes.
God Bless you for your honesty and your real relationship with Jesus!
May 18, 2011 @ 09:52:28
I understand your frustration, and agree that there is much that the church could do to be more Christ-like. I only have one problem. I did the whole cards nights etc… with unsaved friends for 7 years. Yes it works to get people to want to be a part of the church community if they are looking for a nice community. But it doesn’t always point them to salvation. After seven years of doing this, I one day boldly shared the gospel in the way that Ray Comfort does. I asked my friend about a few of the commandments and she by her own admission acknowledged she had broken them. Then, I asked her about judgement day if God would have to judge her guilty or not guilty. I talked to her about how it was impossible to enter Heaven having sinned. That we could negate our sin through good works. She looked at me with such fear, and for the first time in seven years asked Oh no! What do I need to do. I thought that because I was a good person I would get to Heaven. I was then about to share with her the good news of Christ and to her He really was good news because she realised for the first time that she wasn’t going to heaven on her own good merits. So I just wanted to be sure that you don’t stop at just being friendly to people and showing all of the love of Christ in their lives without doing what He did. Giving them the gospel. I learnt this. For years my friends thought all of my love and kindness were just a reflection of my own good works that were getting me to Heaven. They didn’t realise they were actually a product of my salvation not the cause of it. Don’t bring people into your church under false pretenses. You don’t want them simply because they are really enjoying their nice new community of NICE friends. You want them there because they know how desperately they need Christ as their Lord and Saviour. Christ isn’t the answer if you don’t think you have a problem. And you’re not turning to God if you are coming to church with an unrepentant heart that is simply there to add more pleasantries to your own life. Yes, we need to shine in this world. We need to be different and be the church (which was always different from its very beginnings.) But please, please don’t think loving and kindness is enough. Give them the full gospel message as our awesome Lord Jesus did. God Bless you.
Jun 21, 2011 @ 17:02:30
I agree there are many in our Churches who don’t live like Jesus. I don’t always live like a Christian. I have struggles. I fail God. I don’t always treat my brother right, etc…. The people of any Church are not perfect. In the Epistles guidence is given to several Churches correcting them, and showing them the ere of there way: most notably the Church at Corinth had all kinds of wickedness in their congregation. Then in the book of Revelation God Himself speaks to the seven Churches, and there are so many things that He rebukes them for. To the Laodiceans ( which I believe most resembles the current Church age ) He says that they think they are rich and increased with goods and don’t realize that they are blind and naked and wretched and miserble and poor. It’s important to note one thing though: they are still God’s Church. When we sit back and say we are better than those who congregate in the name of Jesus we are rejecting the Biblical institution of Christ Himself. When we deny that we are Christians ( although in Biblical times the name was given to those who acted like Christ, and was given by those who did not believe in Christ ), we are denying Christ. God’s Word says “strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto to life, and few there be that find it”. Christianity isn’t based on feelings, emotions, or any Human leading: It’s based on the Holy, Inspired, Unchanging, Inerrent, Infallible Word of God. When we willingly walk away from God’s ordained Church and God’s name because we feel others there aren’t living right, we are walking away from God. I hope you will realize the Truth of God’s Word on this matter and repent and return to God.
Sep 15, 2011 @ 22:25:33
thats exactly how i feel. thank you for being so honest, open and transparent!!!!
Apr 28, 2013 @ 09:13:47
Thank you so much for your honesty and being bold about that, we actually have the same feeling and now this helped me a lot.